Soccer lay under 1.5 market

[darren]

Hi Guys

The trigger I'm working on lays under 1.5 goals after 10mins of the match if the price is between 2.5 and 3.5.  That works OK.  What I want to do is back the same selection if the price drops to 1.8 for the same amount as the lay bet, rather than distribute loss.

Also I would like to add the following conditions:-

If at HT the score 0-0 I would like to back my lay selection for the same amount (the price is usually about 1.8 to 2.2 at HT depending on the match).

If the score is 1-0 or 0-1 at HT stay in the bet either until the price drops to 1.8 or the match hits the 70mins excluding the 15 min HT interval.

I've done the easy part of the trigger, I need a bit help with the second part please.  You are more than welcome to use the trigger but be careful as it will only be as profitable as your selections.

Any help will be much appreciated.

[rubold]

Yes laying U1.5 is a good strategy.  Since you have already created the laying trigger it is well within your capabilities to code the other requirements.

You just need a back trigger with a set of condition blocks:

But I don't understand your logic in backing the selection if 0-0 at HT, when the majority of goals are scored in the second half.  I feel that you are bailing out with a loss too early with your other conditions also.

I will always code a trigger when I believe the strategy has some merit, but IMO your conditions will remove advantage rather than increase it.  I feel that just laying after 10 min should give an adequate edge given careful match selection.

[darren]

Hi Rubold

Thanks for your reply.

I look at the strategy this way.

If 2 goals are scored in the first half I win.

If one goal is scored in the first half I'll hang on until around the 70 min mark, if there is a goal in the first 25mins of the second half I win.  If there is no goal I will back with the original stake at the current price, possibly around 2.0.  Then if another goal is scored I get out with no loss (or win). 

If there are no goals in the first half I would like to get out at HT.  Again I want to back with my lay stake.  If 2 goals are scored in the second half I get out with a no win/no loss situation.

You are quite correct stating that most goals are scored in the second half, however I'm working on protecting my bank.  I feel long term this will be the most profitable  route as I'm always limiting my loss to 1.3 to 1.5 points.

As I mentioned in my previous post to make this a profitable trigger you must be selective of your matches i.e high scoring games.

I've been manually running this system for several months with good results.  I struggle to trade more than several matches, some Saturdays I might have nearly a dozen matches selected for trading.

If you can help it will be appreciated.

[rubold]

Fair enough, in your back triggers you need to employ the following examples:

Back
In-Play
Once per Market
First Matching Selection
Price: best
Stake: default_laya

Conditions Blocks:

Any Selections Lay Matched is greater than 0
AND Fitting Selections Back Matched = 0
AND Minutes since the off is between 50 & 52
AND Trigger Expression market_score1=0
AND Trigger Expression market_score2=0

OR
Any Selections Lay Matched is greater than 0
AND Fitting Selections Back Matched = 0
AND Minutes since the off is between 85 & 86

The score expressions are not needed here, because if 0-0 the selection will already have been backed and if more than 1 goal then the market will be closed.

[darren]

Hi Rubold

Thanks for your help.  I've attached my attempted trigger.  I've stuggled with a couple of parts of it.  They are:-

The trigger expression markets; should I add a value?  I have on mine.

The second part of the trigger; the OR.  It would not let me save a block as OR.  I got the error message.

If you don't mind, can have a look when you get a chance please.

Thanks

[rubold]

Hi
My sub has expired and I won't be renewing till early New Year, so I can't look at your trigger file at present.

Not sure what you mean by first query.
Just reproduce what I typed in your conditions.

When you open the conditions window, press Add Block, then Add Condition underneath the block just added.   Finish adding the first set of conditions, then go to top of window and add another block, then add the remaining conditions underneath the block just added. Make sure you use the button on the block, rather than at the top of window, when adding conditions.

[darren]

Hi Rubold

Sorry to be dim but I still haven't got it.  When I add the second block I get an error.

I've attached a screen print.  It's probably something obvious but its driving me mental now.  I've tried dozens of permutations.

Thanks again.

[rubold]

The block structure doesn't look quite as I would expect, but without being able to open the trigger file at present I can't correct it,  all of the conditions are correct.
The first condition in second block should have AND prefix and not OR/
 Perhaps someone with a current subscription will pick up this thread??

[rubold]

Just a thought, it will work the same by having 2 back triggers with the first set of conditions in one trigger and the second set in the other.  Then you will not need to use conditions blocks and have no problem with syntax.

[darren]

Hi Rubold

Thanks for your interest and help.

I've got to admit defeat for just now.  I've spent hours today on this, but got nowhere.

You guys who write triggers have my respect, its harder than it looks.

Back to reading the manual for now.

When you re-subscribe have a look. 

If any other guys feel they want to have a look and join in this thread please do.

Cracking this trigger could save me hours in front of the PC. 

Cheers

Darren

[mcbee]

hi
looking at your screenshot
you have changed the 2nd block conditions
you have set the condition from lay matched is greater than 0
to back matched is greater than 0

are you placing a manual lay bet first
then using the trigger to place a back bet

if you include the FULL trigger then we can help you, but with only part of a set of triggers it is hard to work out a flow formula

mcbee

[darren]

Hi Mcbee

Thanks for looking in.

I've attached my latest screenshot.

The full trigger is as I mentioned earlier.  I want to have MF place my bets automatically on my selected matches.  I would like the trigger to place lay bets if the odds are within my range 10mins into a match.  I then would like to close the bet at either HT if there are no goals or at 70mins if there is one goal.  If there are 2 goals before HT do nothing as the bets won, or if its 1-0 and another goal is scored after HT and before 70mins I've won.  When it closes the bet it places the same amount it had on the lay on to the back so if there are late goals I get out with a no loss.

Last night I was trying to juggle 5 matches and spend sometime with the family so if I could automate, life might be a bit easier 

[mcbee]

hi
sorry but your screenshot does not show the true conditons as they should be ( it looks like you are adding conditions but not in the blocks).
YOU MUST add a condition to the block conditions NOT add a condition from the left of the conditions screen
so
edit the conditions
select  Add Block
select  Add Condition (on the line with delete  add block  add condition) (NOT the left of the conditions screen)
now add each condition for that block
THEN select Add Block (from the left of the conditions screen)
now add your condition for this block in the same way as the first block
when completed
press save conditions

mcbee

[darren]

Hi Mcbee

Thanks for your advice.

I've attached my latest effort as a screen shot.

I've not tried it yet.  I'm no expert, as is quite obvious by now  but I dont think it will work.

It looks like I will have to enter the first bet manually.  What condition do I need to add to automatically add this bet after 10 mins?

Cheers to you and Rubold for your help here.

[mcbee]

hi
that looks better.
for your first bet you need to make another trigger to back.


mcbee