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The Money Spinner Version 2
« on: 07 Mar 2010, 03:51 »
*********Money Spinner V2*********

*********Now Released*********



The new Money Spinner V2 is still based on the original Money Spinner's adaptive loss recovery system, but now it doesn't risk large amounts in order to recover from losses.

Whilst the original Money Spinner agressively hunted and banged to make it's profits the Money Spinner V2 takes a calmer and less risk involved methodology to achieve the same end - profit at low risk.

Here are some of it's features:-

Like the original Money Spinner it won't stall your betting for hours if the following happens:-

*   Race meeting delayed
*   Your selection is scratched at the gate
*   Race meeting cancelled



It operates on:-

*   AUS Gallops
*   AUS Jumps
*   AUS Harness
*   AUS Greyhounds
*   NZ Gallops
*   UK Gallops
*   UK Gallops
*   UK Greyhounds - including jumps


It selects:-

*   Favourites just prior to jump
*   No Odds on favs only those better than $2.15

It targets to win 0.5% of your starting balance with each bet.


Recovery:-

This is the heart of The Money Spinner V2, the Money Spinner V2 will now recover your losses but with caution. It does this by only trying to recover your previous loss plus 0.5% of the start balance on any one race. This keeps your wagers down to a manageable level.

Having said that, we all know that sometimes those long string of losses happen and with any system that recovers losses it will snowball very quickly.

This is where the Money Spinner V2 comes into it's own. After you have had a short run of losses it adapts and changes it's tactics. Instead of continuing to throw every increasing sized bets into the money pit it stops chasing the loss, that's right it stops.

OK, so how does it recover then I hear you ask, It changes the target instead. So instead of trying to win 0.5% of your balance on the race it increases that target and stops trying to chase the loss.

The results are that it almost always recovers your losses within 3 to 4 winning bets.

The Money Spinner V2 keeps adapting and changing as it goes along to keep pulling back the loss and aiming for profits. There is a point that we all know well, and that point is when enough is enough. Most of us have trouble realising the point at which it just isn't our day until it's too late. The Money Spinner V2 will realise this point and will realise it in enough time so as it doesn't absolutely decimate your balance.

The Money Spinner V2 will become your conscience when you need it most, it will STOP betting for the day when it's all going pear shaped.

Winning:-

The Money Spinner V2 will aim to achieve a 7.5% profit on your starting balance in each session, and it achieves that quite regularly. Again though not always, and there is a good reason it doesn't.

As part of the continuing adaptation and strategic decision making the Money Spinner V2 employs, it will lower the profit target progressively as the day goes. So if you are having an ordinary day it will lower the target to get you out quicker with a modest profit.

Price:-

The price of The Money Spinner V2 is the same as ever.

Pricing - FREE for a 14 day trial.

1 Month License - AUD $70
3 Month License - AUD $185
6 Month License - AUD $275
12 Month License - AUD $500
Lifetime License - AUD $1500 (Previous subs will be counted towards a discount of 5% per monthly sub to a maximum of 50% off the regular price)


In fact I will give you a 17 day trial for free with no obligation, 3 days to run in test mode and then 14 days to run in real mode.

This will give you ample oppurtunity to make more than enough cash to pay for your first month's subscription.

For those of you that have already trialled the original Money Spinner I will offer you a further 7 day trial of Version 2 for free.


Results:-

As I have done with the original Money Spinner, I will continue to post the weekly results summary in this thread. I never hide any of my results nor do I doctor them in any way. So if it has a bad day and looses money you will see it. These results are actual statements from my own BetFair account.

I am a strong believer in being open and honest about all results as those of you who already subscribe will attest.

I look forward to hearing from you all requesting your trials.

Many Regards
Brett

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Re: The Money Spinner Version 2
« Reply #1 on: 07 Mar 2010, 07:47 »
Well I know it isn't time for my weekly results update, but I thought I should share today's AUS market results with you all.

Not a very auspicious way to launch the Money Spinner V2, however, I guess it is in some ways.

Today's AUS markets had it all, meetings delayed horribly, meetings cancelled. It had everything apart from Favourites winning, but the Money Spinner 2 did it's job without emotion or fuss.

Here is the rundown and stats on today's AUS markets:-

The day was just awfull with only 4 winners from 35 races giving a pitiful strike rate of 11.5%.

The sequence went like this :-

5 losses
2 wins
2 losses
1 win
10 losses
1 win
14 losses

Again though Money Spinner V2 pulled the plug on the day with a loss of $88.66 from a starting balance of $475.24 giving a loss of 18.66% on start balance.

Considering that it usually makes the 7.5% in each session I am really happy with the result.

If things improve – I am sure they will the law of averages dictates they will – we all know that statistically that Favourites win roughly 33% of the time. Then things can only get better, this means that I should make back this deficit as follows:-

7th March UK – 7.5% profit = $415.57
8th March AUS – 7.5% profit = $446.74
8th March UK – 7.5% profit = $480.24

So completely recovered in a day and a night.

Now provided that it does hit its targets for the next 3 sessions then I haven’t seen a system that can recover like that and still not loose bulk funds on a bad day.

I am quite happy even after such a bad day, in fact, the worst single day I have seen in the last 15 years. It seems odd to be smiling even thought the day was rubbish, but i know how some other systems and triggers would have coped, a lot worse.

Anyway, I just thought I would share that with you all.

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Re: The Money Spinner Version 2
« Reply #2 on: 14 Mar 2010, 02:38 »
Hey Everyone,

   Here are the results for the end of Week 10 2010.

I spent this week trying to combine the best aspects of the Money Spinner – Aggressive version with some of the safer aspects of Version 2 – I have dubbed this new incarnation of the Money Spinner the IDoLL version (I Don’t Like Losing).

Things were going well towards the end of the week with some nice profits being made, there were a few tweaks to be made but it seemed I was on the right track. Until Saturday’s UK markets when BetFair’s API crashed, it wasn’t showing any matched bets, this meant that the trigger was not seeing the bets it had placed and therefore was trying to recover the same amount all the time, leading to some out of control bets and a huge loss.

Of course all of this was happening whilst I was happily asleep over here in AUS.

I want to continue testing and if after the end of this week can show a nice profit with no huge risks I will release it.

For those of you currently trialling V2 I will extend your trial to the IDoLL version if it goes well. For those that have already trialled I will also offer a further 7 days trial. But all of this depends on the IDoLL version going well this week.

Happy Punting.

Brett
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Re: The Money Spinner Version 2
« Reply #3 on: 21 Mar 2010, 03:19 »
Hey Everyone,

   Before I get into Week 11 results, I want to address some questions that have been raised over the last few weeks, I would like to firstly let you all know a little about me.

I am 44 this year married with teenage children one of whom is engaged. I live on a rural property on the outskirts of Sydney and I work for arguably the biggest global manufacturer of retail electronic devices as the Australian Technical Support engineer covering their print/copy products.

Educationally, left school in year 10 (the fourth form). Went to technical college and gained an electronics engineering certificate. I have taught myself to write various coding languages over the years starting as far back as using BASIC on a Commodore PET during my school days.

Punting, hmm I guess I was first exposed to punting via my grandparents who emigrated from the north of England when my father was only 2. They would always take me up to the TAB (OTB) to put the bets on. And on occasion my Grandmother would have me pick the daily double from the paper.

My Grandmother’s system was simply to back any horse that had one of the 14 grandchildren’s name in it. Surprisingly she did quite well, they were never rich but it made a few pennies here and there for them.

As I got older and got more involved in the world of computers and discovered the world of racing statistics, I started using computers to crunch the data and come up with selections. This was at times profitable but never for a very long time.

The things I learned along the way are thus:-

•   I could stare at a horse all day and still not know if it was a good horse or not
•   I could pour over form guides for hours and still not be able to narrow any race down to one single selection
•   I am easily swayed by emotion when punting (too easy to break the rules)
•   I am easily swayed by the ‘experts’. I let them steer me off my picks.

It’s those four things that really started me investing my time in automating my punting. I learned a long time ago that using any system to try and pick the winner is only as good as it’s last win. I mean they all work to a degree but all eventually fail in the long run.

This is why the Money Spinner simply picks Favourites and uses a complex staking and recovery plan to make money. Statistically in both AUS and UK horse racing the favourite will come in  roughly 30% of the time. The downside is the prices are short.

OK I hope that addresses some of the questions that some have had about who I am and what the Money Spinner is. It doesn’t aim to make you a fortune every day, it’s goals are simple, aim for 7.5% and then accept lower if it’s all not going so well.
The idea is to try and take the emotional aspect out of punting, but still leave you feeling as though you can trust it.

I think It is inching ever closer to that target with the current IDoLL release. (Hmm Yes I spent some time in Marketing – my apologies).


Ok the final question and it’s the big one everyone always asks, as I used to as well. If the system works why sell it,  why not keep it and make all the money from it yourself. There’s a simple answer to that, I don’t believe there is a system out there that will earn you enough income on a regular basis to pay off the mortgage and quit your job. Let’s look at the maths involved and maybe you will see why I say that.

Firstly, most systems that promise the world and untold riches seem to publish their results files only for a select period of time and never seem to be updated. Also strangely they have huge starting balances, in the order of $10,000 plus minimum.

Now as I stated earlier The Money Spinner aims to make 7.5% every session so if I published select results using a start balance of $10,000, well that would equate to $750 profit everyday WOW!!!.

You starting to get the picture here.

Let’s look at the amount of cash you need to have to be able to have in order to give up work and make a living from the punt. Most professional punters I have spoken to here in AUS say that they have a working balance plus at least 2 years wages in  reserve balances, for those rainy days.

Now they target to win twice what they need to survive, half goes in their wages and the other half goes to building up more reserves. So let’s say your yearly wage is $50,000 keeping it simple lets also say that equals $1000 a week.

So remembering that we need 2 years reserve tucked away for a rainy day that’s $100,000 to start with. Now obviously we want to take home every day what we take home now. So working on a five day week, $200 per day. Remember though we want twice that to keep building reserves so $400 per day.

If our system nets us 5% per day that means we need a starting balance of $8,000.

So all up we need a total of $108,000 comprising of two years wages plus a working balance of $8,000.

I am happy to listen to anyone else’s views on these numbers but for me those numbers would mean financial security.

So, consequently as I don’t have that amount of cash laying around, why not sell my ideas? Would any of you do any less?

Ok the asking price, it was set originally in order that you could start with a very, very modest balance and eek out a little bit of profit enabling you to buy your next instalment as well as put some in your pocket.

Having said all of that I still think it is pretty good value, the Money Spinner consists of 57 individual triggers, plus 52 conditions scattered amongst those triggers. So it’s quite a complex thing, along with that there was over 1,057 hours of development involved to get it where it is today (yes I did keep a record) according to my current pay rate that’s over $40,000 in man hours, and I have invested over $2,000 in testing – I only test in real mode in order to make sure it’s right.

So you can see what I have spent and where I want to be, so therefore – the reason for offering the trigger for sale.

But and this is the big BUT, I don’t care if I don’t sell it – you see I like it, I get enjoyment from watching it work and improving on it. No that doesn’t mean I am going to give it away lol.

Ok enough of all of that.

WEEK 11 RESULTS

Week 11 was more testing in the beginning of the week you will notice the big loss early on – all part of live testing. Towards the end of the week you can see that the Money Spinner can recover nicely and not risk large amounts of capital on any one bet. Even on the loss days the losses were not substantial.

I think the Cheltenham carnival in the UK is much like carnival time here in AUS, there seems to be a lot of silly money in the markets. A lot of short favourites that shouldn’t have been, a lot of markets with multiple favourites. The strike rates and long runs of outs should show that. Including a run of 20 outs. A point of interest is that it didn’t wipe out the balance the loss was only 0.3% of the balance.

So I think the Money Spinner is in good shape but I will continue to try and improve it.

Regards
Brett



Happy Punting.

Brett
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Re: The Money Spinner Version 2
« Reply #4 on: 28 Mar 2010, 02:14 »

Hey Everyone,

   Here are Week 12 results as well as the overall 1st Quarter results summary.

The IDoLL version of The Money Spinner is working well, recovering nicely now and making nice modest profits. I think I have found the right balance of risk versus reward. I don’t think I will making many more adjustments now.

Hope you all had a good week.   

Happy Punting.

Brett
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Re: The Money Spinner Version 2
« Reply #5 on: 11 Apr 2010, 05:18 »
Hi All

Just a quick update - as you know it was easter so I took a few days off work and spent some time doing the family thing.

I decided that I had lost my way a bit with the Money Spinner and strayed from my original goals. I guess tried to please everyone along the way. Consequently it grew and became way too complex for what it was.

This week I re-wrote it and went back to my own original goals with it. Still currently testing but looks ok.

I have stripped it down to bare bones now and it runs fast and doesnt eat a lot of CPU power.

Also I have changed it's targets to aim for 0.1% of your start balance, I know this is small but honestly it is the only way to combat large runs of losses and not wipe out. This does mean much smaller profits per day in % terms but profit is profit.

Of course this also means much smaller bets so after a friendly reminder from the Butt Fart Police I had to top up my accounts and increase my nbet sizes a little.

I am still not betting the minimum which for me being in AUS is $5, if it comes to having to actually bet a minimum of $5 on each bet I will give it up, it would mean having to have a very very large balance.

I dont get what their issue is anyway over the last 3 months or so including both of my accounts I have placed 10,784 bets, outlayed $31,115.60 AUD and donated $1,120 AUD in commission this equals an average of $2.89 AUD per bet. I mean seriously how fair is it. Especially considering all the API issues there has been along the way and outages.

Anyway thats a battle I will have with Butt Fart when the time comes, so other things I am doing differently, I finally gave up my obsession with the dish lickers, no longer placing any bets on any dog races anywhere in the world. I have however started adding in the horses from the US, France, RSA etc. Basically all horses I can select. This has helped keep a good number of bets up and keep the profits liveable.

I will keep trialling this week and if it goes well make it available this time next week.

Cheers All
Brett

 

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