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Are blocks totally independent ?
« on: 07 Jan 2014, 14:57 »
Hi,
I want to know if I were to have multiple blocks contained within one trigger program,
would all matched or unmatched bets be accounted for or identifiable
by its origin ? if so, could there be any potential cock ups along the way ?
I do know some football trigger programs have multiple blocks dealing with correct scores, match odds, over/under etc all at the same time. 
I do understand the 'total number of runs/per selection and closing of the block principle but not so sure how bets both matched and unmatched are remembered once placed with Betfair. As most know, trigger betting is very fickle at best and one wrongly placed bet can wipe out all ones profits.
I also realise that to be as certain as possible it is best to run each block as a separate trigger program and I may have to go down that route but would need another computer. But for now, I would like to exhaust this path to a point where it is
either proven to be viable or unworkable.
For example I may want to run 3 blocks. One containing tick movements, one containing price movements and the other something else or any number of combinations within reason.
I'm just concerned that block1 might be looking at what block2 is doing and messes up the works by placing a wrong bet based on bets previously placed with Betfair. 
Any help appreciated
Merci
R
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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #1 on: 07 Jan 2014, 17:17 »
hi
you would use
and trigger (the name of your trigger) number of runs per selection is greater than 0
you put that in any trigger that is betting within that block
so you would have

betting trigger tick movement
all your conditions to select the selection and place the bet.

greeup trigger tick movement
and trigger betting trigger tick movement number of runs per selection is greater than 0
any other conditions you have

distribute loss trigger tick movement
and trigger betting trigger tick movement number of runs per selection is greater than 0
any other conditions you have

so all triggers are linked to the betting triggers selection

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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #2 on: 07 Jan 2014, 18:03 »
Thanks mcbee,
that part is understood, but my question relates more to
the likelihood of bets already placed with Betfair either matched or unmatched using say Block1 causing a problem with Block2.
If you feel they are 100% independent and no cross errors occur and of course providing the conditions are worded correctly then I am happy to hear that, and can confidently continue.
thanks
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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #3 on: 07 Jan 2014, 18:22 »
hi
the problem you will have is in most betting triggers we have and selections back matched is equal to 0 , so that the trigger does not place more than one bet.
your other block triggers will pick this up if there is a bet placed on that selection, then they will not place a bet.


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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #4 on: 07 Jan 2014, 20:23 »
That is what I feared. So it won't work. I'll have to treat them as separate
trigger programs
thanks Mc
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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #5 on: 07 Jan 2014, 20:35 »
hi
it will not work with seperate trigger programs.
the only way will be to have more than 1 betfair account.
you can open different accounts with different payment methods, but all account will be linked for the api usage.
it will work with test mode because each profile saves it's statement in its own folder.

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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #6 on: 07 Jan 2014, 21:25 »
Hi mcbee,

By "separate trigger programs" I mean different .mft triggers.

Is there no way, existing or otherwise that a block can remember which bets were placed for that particular trigger ?

Suppose I set up a trigger called steamer.mft which contained all of the usual triggers like greenup, distribute loss etc .....and ......I had another one called drifter.mft then one day I had the bright idea of combining the two programs.
So, in program A, we have back and lay triggers as well as greenup and dist loss.
      in program B, we have lay and back triggers as well as greenup and dist loss
When combined we have back, lay, greenup, dist loss, closing block + lay, back, greenup, dist loss, closing block....... so in total we have 2 programs each consisting of  5 blocks which means a total of 10 blocks..... This whole program could be called
'anything.mft'.......
This terminology "trigger" is a bit confusing as it can mean one of two things.
a) A trigger program eg  winningsystem.mft
b) A trigger within one of the trigger blocks of winningsystem.mft
Can you please let me know the correct terms to use when referring to either of them. Perhaps b) should be referred to as a sub trigger.
So, to summarise  anything.mft contains 2 main programs steamer.mft & drifter.mft
each of those has 5 blocks.
With all of that said, is it still your opinion that there is no way to keep track of bets placed by each trigger to avoid the  " and selections back matched is equal to 0' condition that will prevent a trigger firing or firing when it shouldn't ?
Each bet has a reference or ID number, could that not be used somehow to link that bet with the trigger that fired the bet ?
If all of this is too much just say  NO  and I'll go back to eating my chocolates :)
Thanks mcbee
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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #7 on: 07 Jan 2014, 21:47 »
hi
sorry, but we are restricted to what information is held in the statement.
the problem is, with multiple bets the bet amount and bet prices are averaged.
it can be done with variables.
i have a set of 6 trigger banks, each bank can have its own staking.
each bank records the selections index,price and bet amount, then when the result is in, each bank checks the winners index against its own selections index and adjusts the banks profit and loss.
i used to do this with v6 a few years ago.
i also have a 6 bank that records the first 6 favourites wins, losses and profit/loss, from the information there is a running win% for each favourite and trigger that back if the win% is more than a certain amount and if the profit is a certain amount.


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Re: Are blocks totally independent ?
« Reply #8 on: 08 Jan 2014, 00:53 »
hi mcbee,

I would hope one day we could have a unique bet coding system linking each bet either matched or unmatched with each trigger. I'm sure if this was the case we could all manage our triggers more efficiently and minimise use of computers and instances of MFP being open resulting in Betfair overload problems.
thanks/regards
R
 
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