Help with simple trigger - laying in win markets with recoup

Hi there,
I am trying to create a trigger file that places bets in the following fashion:
- Lays probable loser
- Where loss is encountered;
- Split loss into 4
- Add the total loss / 4 to the next 4 bets
- When a 4 bet recoup cycle is complete, revert to initial_bet

also, I only want to split the last lost...If there are two losers in succession I only want to run the full cycle of 4 recoups on the most recent loss

I have tried replicating the lay-recoup-loss-in-steps with my own twist but it doesn't even appear to be firing.

can anyone give me some tips / point to some information where I can get a breakdown of what i need to put in the trigger editor to make this work?

any help much appreciated!
thanks
j

Hi
I have been giving some thought to this.
The original lay-recoup-loss-in-steps trigger does exactly what you are asking in your first 5 points.

The problem comes when you:

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only want to split the last lost...If there are two losers in succession I only want to run the full cycle of 4 recoups on the most recent loss

I can't see how this can be done, because the 1st loser in a 2 loser succession is already at the 2nd cycle of recoupment.

If you can re-specify your requirement to:

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If there are two losers in succession I only want to run the full cycle of 4 recoups on earliest loss

then that is possible trigger-wise, i.e. continue with the cycle, but ignore the most recent loss in a 2 or more loss succession. Of course it depends on whether this idea suits your requirement?

Hi MarkV,

Thanks for looking into this. The alternative you suggest is great - as long as there is only one loss that is chased in any losing cycle.

Is that something that's quite easy to write ino the trigger file?

Also, the original recoup trigger file didn't work when I tried it. Is there something I need to do to kick it off, like place a couple of manual bets first!

Thanks!
J

Hi
Just tested the original trigger and it works OK.
Make sure this setting is unticked:
Settings > General Options > Delete settled markets automatically.
The trigger as stands lays the fav and recoups if a loss - no manual bets required.
If it still does not work, check the trigger/program logs

I will look at the modification later today.

Ah ok thanks I will check that setting. Also will look outward to testing out the modded file if you get the chance to take a look at it.
Thanks again
Jon

Hi
The attached trigger is the original trigger with one change to it:
It will only increase the currentloss variable (amount to recoup over x steps) if the number of consecutive losses equals 1.
If there are 2 or more consecutive losses, it will bet the same amount as the last amount that was bet in the cycle.

Please try the trigger file in test mode.

Great - many thanks for this I'll give it a whirl in test mode.
cheers
j

Hi Again,

I have just tried the file out in test mode using the US Horse Racing win market.

I placed the first bet at initial stake on the 22:50. It lost - so the trigger should have started a recoup cycle.

however, it did not place a bet in the 23.00, or the 23.01

then, it did place a bet on the 23:15 - but at the initial bet size.

this also lost, and then a further bet was placed on the 23:20 - again, at the initial bet size.

it skipped the 23:25 with no bets placed

would you be able to take another look at the file?
thanks
j

Hi
You have identified 2 problems.
Firstly, the trigger requires the previous triggered market to be settled before it bets on the next market. It is a common problem with markets not being settled before the next one starts. Sometimes it can be 20 mins or more before a market is settled.

Trigger not incrementing after a loss; I am looking at it now and will let you know. Problem is I am only getting wins while testing

yes i thought that would be the case with the delay from market settling.

good stuff - will look forward to receiving the amended file - I hit 4 losers last night!

Hi
It seems to be working OK. Please check the following settings, save the settings and restart the program:

Settings > General Options > Market Settings > Delete xxx events automatically should be unticked
Settings > General Options > Market Settings > All other settings should be unticked
Settings > General Options > Account Statement > Refresh account statement should be ticked
Settings > General Options > Account Statement > Retrieve data that are no older than 1 day should be checked
Settings > Test Mode > Event Results > Download results from Betfair wherever possible and settle markets automatically should be ticked
Settings > Test Mode > All other settings should be unticked

Ok thanks for looking into this - I will run through the settings as detailed and feedback later tonight

Hi MarkV,

I have run the trigger file this eve and encountered a problem;

The first loser I got was £2 stake (my amended initial stake from the 4 in the file) with odds of 4.4 = £18.88 loss

This amended the next stake to £5.55. But, the new stake has continued for all subsequent bets - it has not reverted to the £2 initial stake after 4 steps.

Would you be able to check?

also, I am wondering about the fact that the trigger doesn't lay in every race - is there a way around this?

some ideas:
- would it be possible to have the trigger automatically lay the initial bet in every race, and then start a recoup as and when it picks up a loss (and again, only to run 1 recoup loss even if it hits a loser whilst in recoup)
- alternatively, is there any way that we can run two selected markets simultaneously. If, for example, there was a way of labelling each race in my selected markets chronologically with first race labelled 'A' and second race labelled 'B' then could we run one trigger per A / B selection? The labelling would be alternated throughout the day of course, and should provide a bit of breathing time between races for the previous market to be settled.

what do you think?

Hi
Please try the attached, revised trigger in test mode.
It will recoup only one loss at any one time, and ignore any other losses incurred during the recoup cycle.
Please bear in mind that the actual number of steps may go up or down depending on a win or loss, but it will revert to initial bet amount after the recoup cycle set number of winning steps.

Your suggestion regarding separately labelled races is good. Unfortunately I don’t think it will work because win/lose history variables are not linked to specific markets, only previously settled markets of whichever ‘label’. There is further info on this if you search the forum for “banks” “win/lose” etc. However, your suggestion would be possible using a separate Betfair account and another licence of the software.

Hi MarkV,

just tried this file. hit a loser first up and then no subsequent bets were placed.

would you be able to take a look?

attached here for your ref.
cheers
j

Help with simple trigger - laying in win markets with recoup

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