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winning trigger?!
« on: 05 Jan 2010, 15:40 »
Hi.
Does anyone really have a winning trigger that winning day out and day in?

If you have please wright it down here.

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #1 on: 31 Mar 2010, 01:25 »
I got one, it makes profit every day but different amounts.
Bad day it can make like 30£ and good day 50£ - 100£.

Thing is not to get greedy, at the beginning I wanted to earn 100£ each day, but thats impossible, because Betfair's robot screws you at the end.

The important thing is to stay off the radar, I got X-feeder to stop at 50£ profit, and I stop there no matter how good I'm doing at the moment. and I wait couple of hours before starting it again.

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #2 on: 31 Mar 2010, 16:07 »
how does betfair robot screw u?

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #3 on: 31 Mar 2010, 17:59 »
Yes, why would Betfair want to screw you? The more money you win means more money for them.

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« Reply #4 on: 07 Apr 2010, 16:51 »
i have a winning strategy ,  but not running it with xfeeder (yet).  i make £75 per day then stop.  if anyone can help me feed the system into xfeeder i will be willing to share (obviously) .   ;)

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #5 on: 08 Apr 2010, 14:13 »
Yes, why would Betfair want to screw you? The more money you win means more money for them.


First of all, you're not mainly betting against other players but you're playing against third-party robots who knows how the games are exactly programmed and they pay commision to Betfair.

You don't seriously think Betfair will allow normal players to rob companies behind these robots.
This would cause Betfair to money, because they wouldn't keep their robots on Betfair if they didn't made a good profit.

Second, Betfair has it's own robot betting on the games, I don't know if I'm old school but that's
proof for me that the games are not 100% random.

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« Reply #6 on: 22 Apr 2010, 08:31 »
Yes, why would Betfair want to screw you? The more money you win means more money for them.


First of all, you're not mainly betting against other players but you're playing against third-party robots who knows how the games are exactly programmed and they pay commision to Betfair.

You don't seriously think Betfair will allow normal players to rob companies behind these robots.
This would cause Betfair to money, because they wouldn't keep their robots on Betfair if they didn't made a good profit.

Second, Betfair has it's own robot betting on the games, I don't know if I'm old school but that's
proof for me that the games are not 100% random.

If that sort of thing was going on they would have been shut down years ago.

You need to take some anti-conspiracy theory pills and take the tin-foil hat off.

You speak of proof but you have offered none whatsoever, only hearsay and speculation.

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #7 on: 22 Apr 2010, 12:44 »
I have been making triggers for almost all X-Games with X-Feeder for many months and many of them had amazing results BUT BUT BUT...

Despites the winning strategy you have if you running your trigger 24/7 you ll noice that there are huge UPs and huge DOWNs and as a friend mentioned above the Betfair Robots if you get greedy they screw you for sure.

The only way might really works for these games are a combination of a winning strategy, with a fixed profit(dont get greedy) goal(like stop at winner) and with good time management.Otherwise you ll get tired like me because you will relize that every winning strategy you make always fall on a losing streak because thats the way they have fixed these games. You dont play against other players but against betfair bots and their money...

Thats why i am so glad that MF PRO works exactly the same with X-FEEDER(that i learned really good) and i can try my luck on real events.

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #8 on: 22 Apr 2010, 12:56 »
Hi Stillout
I have long suspected that not even the in running live events such as horse racing is immune from the "possibility" of guidance by Betfair
I wrote to them 2 weeks ago (copy of the letter below) asking for clarification o a few strange points.
Their first answer was interesting (sidestepped the main question). still waiting for a proper answer. Hopefully later today................

Dear Sir
 
I was wondering if you could help clarify the situation for me with regard to the in running feature you offer with particular regard to horse racing. Having witnessed this market for some time at first hand (I am retired) I am absolutely amazed at the speed of the price changes relative to the action.
 
Having used a dongle connection at the some racecourses at watched the changes in prices relative to the “live” action, I am bewildered by the ability backers and layers seem to have to change prices relative to the situation in a race!
 
My understanding is that there are numerous live feeds available as opposed to the relayed service on digital as well as timeform radio which has a few moments delay. But surely even the live feeds must be delayed by around 0.5 of a second and then one would have to add the delay for submitting a bet and the inevitable delay that Betfair imposes on in running bets prior to seeing such changes relative to a situation occur on the screen.
 
My own experience was recently whilst at Chepstow I saw a horse fall two fences from the finish that at that time was in second place. Within 1 second the price had changed from 5.00 to 1000.00! 
 
The other perplexing point which you may be able to clarify is that since most regular in play backers and layers probably watch the live feeds, how can they all be as clued up as the commentators with regard to the selections position in the race without a label being placed on each horse giving its name?   The commentator has an elevated vantage point and a massive pair of binoculars together with other facilities to allow him to relay to the punters who is in what position etc.

Yesterdays grand national was a classic example of the problem that most people must face in running in that unless the commentator relays the name of each horse and its position in turn it is impossible to make an informed decision about where any selection is and its travelling quality compared to its Betfair sp Yet once again yesterday although I was watching a delayed feed on BBC we saw hoses fall which were not remarked upon by the commentator for seconds after the event and yet we saw the prices go out to 1000 before the announcement of the fall and which horse had fallen?
 
It has been suggested to me from someone sources close to Betfair, that your company use a highly sophisticated and dedicated API system which has a facility to link to all runners and their position through GPS or some other kind or system that pilots prices in running to give backers and layers a clue about any selections relative chance at any time. If this were true it would completely explain all of my questions and why so may of my in running bets do not get matched even though they are of a minimum size and the prices are clearly on the screen.
 
I trust that you can see the conundrum, here and anything you can do to explain the above points would be most helpful.

Your sincerely
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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #9 on: 22 Apr 2010, 13:38 »
Hi betfair winner,
I am 100% sure that they also try to manipulate in various ways the real events market. For example i am sure that their software is always one step ahead of the user's front end and always catch user mistakes or prices that can dutch all marjket instantly and tactics like this. But if i have to choose between X-Games or Real Events with X-change market the second choice is 100% better. You see i am a web/software developer and i can understand how efficient the betfair platform is. If i was the betfair owner i would have created all the necessary bots that can earn me more money.

For example on a horse race you have give by mistake a 1000 back price to a certain winner in play. they take it first. Think about this way. There are so many users but you never see mistakes and say "OMG that stupid forgot to cancel his bet" etc.


And also i made so many test for almost a year or more with X-Games and i am sure that they work similar to online Casino games and you cant really win them but only to grap small amounts if you are to clever, quick and never get greedy. But who isnt greedy? If we didnt to want to get easily reach with gambling then we would just stay satisfy with our day jobs  :)

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #11 on: 10 May 2010, 15:52 »
FACINATING !
My suspicions in respect of piloted pricing seem to be a reality, especially in view of a lack of clarity from Betfair.  >:(
For others convenience the article is copied below. Many thanks for  digging this up.
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Thursday, 17 April 2008
Betfair Betting Teams/Computer Programs/Robots/Fair Betting
 
It would appear that Betfair have employees based in Malta that are betting against clients on the exchange and that they have computer programs/robots operating in a number of areas.

The primary concerns for all clients would be to know in which markets these Betfair teams are operating and whether or not they have any kind of advantage over clients.

Betfair claim that these employees assume no risk and that they are purely their to manage any risk Betfair may have with regard to multiple bets offered (would it be fair for me to assume that f they take no risk they are taking better than fair prices and/or arbitrages?)

The problem is, however, what exactly and how are these teams operating?
Do they have direct access to the Betfair Servers? Are they in possession of information that clients may not have? Do they have the same delays when placing bets as clients?
Do their computer programs/robots operate from separate terminals or are they based on Betfairs own servers? There are a multitude of questions that desperately need answers.

The main problem with the majority of this is that it is extremely difficult to see how there cannot be a conflict of interests with Betfair themselves operating in a market they are responsible for offering to clients with whom they are directly competing. There is also a further problem in that they do not identify these markets and products where they themselves are operating and it is unclear as to whether or not they have any advantage over ordinary clients.

There is also the problem of not treating all clients equally or some being at a disadvantage to others.

Below are a list of questions sent to Betfair and regulatory bodies still awaiting a reply:

Dear Sirs,

I have a number of concerns relating to how you operate your business and would appreciate it if you could provide answers to the following questions.


PLEASE NOTE: ALL THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS RELATE TO BETFAIRS OPERATIONS BOTH NOW AND AT ANY TIME IN THE PAST.

Betfair Questions

Betfair Interaction and Involvement with Their Own Products and Markets Offered:

In which markets/products/games have Betfair had an interest or direct involvement operation wise where they are in direct competition with clients?

Do Betfair have or have they ever had any advantage over other clients? eg do they get priority on bet queues or can they jump in front of other bets or offers do they pay less commission etc etc?

Where are these persons or computer bots/programs physically located and from where and what do they operate? eg from Malta/UK on Betfairs servers or separate computer terminals, do they have direct access to Betfair Servers etc etc?

Do Betfair employees/representatives/robots play any of the In Running Markets offered either now or at any other time in the past?

You have claimed or implied on your website that your Betting teams and/or robots have been sanctioned by various regulatory bodies. Would you kindly state when and by whom and in which jurisdictions these actions have been sanctioned and tested?

Does any regulatory body analyze and monitor all such activity by Betfair employees/representatives/computer programs in any/all markets that they operate? eg do they follow the complete audit trail of any/all bets placed by Betfair on any of their markets and/or games?

Why are all areas/markets where Betfair employees/representatives/computer programs(bots) not clearly identified as such for the benefit of transparency and so clients can know when they are directly competing with Betfair?

Betfair claim they have had their robots sanctioned and passed and allowed to play in their own markets using their own personnel and computer programs. Which jurisdiction(s)/who have sanctioned them? What are they permitted to do and not do? What was sanctioned specifically and which markets can and cannot have computer bots and/or Betfair employees operating in them?

Do Betfair have or have they had at any time in the past any advantages as far as access to data or placing of bets compared to normal clients in any shape or form? (eg speed of execution level of commission paid being able to see incoming bet requests lays and offers etc etc ?)

Do Betfair have or have they had at any time in the past any preferred clients? eg ones who have accounts that can queue jump bets and offers or who get preferential treatment of any kind when compared to regular clients?

Do Betfair have or have they had at any time in the past any clients who pay 0% commission or a flat monthly fee instead of per bet commission? Will they have clients with this preferred commission structure in the future? Do Betfair themselves have a preferred commission structure advantage for themselves whenever they operate in any markets or products offered?

Do Betfair or have they at any time in the past extended credit to any clients?

Are all clients treated equally and have the same level and speed of access to their servers for placing and taking bets or do Betfair offer some outlets (commercial or private) preferential access to their servers?

Do Betfair Robots behave/act and have they behaved/acted at any time in the past like normal people/clients? Will they act like ordinary clients and under the same constraints as ordinary clients in the future?

Has the Betfair hardware architecture been audited to test and check that Betfair obtains no technical advantage over ordinary clients? Furthermore if they do gain advantage then this should clearly be posted and presented prominently in all markets in which such persons or hardware operate.

Do Betfair have advantage in exchange games i.e are their bets placed first in queue? Are there any warnings to that effect on display when they are involved in any activity in any areas where they compete with clients?

Why was no notification been given to users about bet matching especially considering any mistake would automatically be punished and when Betfair would profit from that mistake?

Why aren’t all markets in which Betfair employees/teams robots operate identified as such?

Are Betfair employees allowed or have they been allowed at any time in the past to bet themselves on the exchange? Are Betfair employee close friends and relatives allowed to bet or have they at any time in the past been permitted to bet on the exchange or play in any other markets or products offered?

Are Betfair employees monitored for “Insider Dealing?”

Do Betfair permit or have they at any time permitted anyone or have they themselves been permitted to see or access incoming bet offers or lays in order to preempt them and get a speed of execution advantage or queue jump those bets and/or offers?

Your soonest response would be appreciated.
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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #12 on: 08 Jun 2010, 17:00 »
Here's another website about Betfair insider trading:

http://www.midasoracle.org/2008/03/16/betfair-bet-matching-2/

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #13 on: 07 Jul 2010, 15:12 »
Why did this post get dragged off topic?

The quesiotn asked was are there any triggers/systems that actually make money day in/out (notwithstanding the occasional loss)?

If so, what are they? 

Otherwise we're all wasting our time and you might as well close this forum.

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Re: winning trigger?!
« Reply #14 on: 14 Jul 2010, 13:52 »
To get this back on track.

The only way to win at x-games is to have more money on winners than losers.

I advise to study the channel_trend feature and then devise a strategy that produces a rise and fall of profits that allows you to switch test mode on and off and so produce an overall profit.  You will still have downswings, but with the correct control it is possible to produce an overall profit on most days.

 

Please note, BetFair is seems to be currently OFFLINE